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Do you want any more nightmares? Everything is fine. When you sleep?

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I'm going to ask you a question.

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Remember...

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In December 1964, a seriously disturbed, dysfunctional couple consulted Dr. Benjamin Simon in Boston.

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Is there a problem?

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Are you having visions?

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Barney and Betty Hill's hypnosis therapy shook the field of ufology.

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Is it just flashes?

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No.

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I'm going to shoot that thing! I'm going to get my gun! I'm going to shoot it now! I'm going to shoot that thing right now!

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I'm going to shoot that thing!

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Barney, listen to me. Listen to me Barney.

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Try this to your calm. Nothing's going to hurt you.

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I'm going to shoot it.

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The U.S. Department of Justice

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It was now no longer possible to discuss UFOs without including alien abductions, a controversial issue.

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According to surveys, nearly four million Americans fit the profile of an abductee.

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A growing number of victims think they have an implant somewhere in their body, tracking their moves, their state, their metabolism, and even their thoughts.

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They feel like lab rats being studied by another world.

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According to British ufologist John Spencer, Barney and Betty Hill's story was the wake-up call for the phenomenon of alien abductions.

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For many years one of the aspects of UFOs I've studied in some depth is the abduction phenomenon.

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The idea that people are manipulated to some degree by UFO entities, that they are taken aboard the flying saucers, that they are examined usually in some medical way,

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that they are sometimes given a mission or they are perhaps implanted with devices and so on, and that they are constantly throughout their lives,

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and even their children's lives and their children's lives are affected by UFO intervention, which seems to be tracking the bloodline, which I think Bud Hopkins has described in many cases.

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I'm very open to the possibility and certainly I'm totally convinced that these people are genuinely reporting a real phenomenon, a paranormal phenomenon.

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I'm quite sure of that. I've spoken to many of them and perhaps most significant for me, I've found something in the order of about 20 or 30 people I've spoken to

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who have totally changed their lives as a result of their abduction phenomenon.

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They have suddenly become artistic for example, they have suddenly become musicians or they've gone into art from being bank clerks and accountants,

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they've suddenly become camera people or whatever else, where they've gone into that side of life, and it has resulted undoubtedly from the abduction phenomenon.

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The question is whether or not it's an internal or an external thing.

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Reports of alien abductions have been on the rise ever since the first case was reported in 1961.

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People believe they were abducted while sleeping by aliens capable of passing through walls and moving instantly from one spot to another.

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Even though thousands of cases have been investigated, UFO experts use Barney and Betty's experience to support the existence of abductions.

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Their story began one night on a remote highway in the White Mountains when the couple wandered off Route 3 and found themselves in the mountains.

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September 19, 1961, my husband Barney and I are in Montreal and we heard a weather we brought that a hurricane was coming up the coast

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and probably would hip our hometown of Portsmouth. So we decided to return to Portsmouth, get there before the hurricane did.

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Betty and Barney were on their way home from Montreal. Both had been married before and both had children, but Betty's were adopted since she was sterile.

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And this was after the summer of tourists and we knew that the mountains were going to be deserted, facilities would be closed.

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So we went through customs and we stopped in Colbrook and got gas for the car and had a lunch. So we knew it was about 10 o'clock but we left Colbrook.

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Betty was a social worker and Barney was a postal worker and a member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission.

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They were both around 40 years old and neither had any history of psychological problems.

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And we're driving down through the mountains when I suddenly saw a new star in the sky and as I watched it, it became bigger and brighter.

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And my first thought was, is it a comet or a hit the earth? So we stopped the car to get out to get a good look at this.

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And as we did, it changed direction and passed over the face of the moon. And we could see that it had multicolored flashing lights around it.

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And then it turned and started coming in towards us. So we started driving south. We did this for about 30 miles.

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And we had no idea what this craft was. We tried to identify it and I put the window down and I waved to him and said, hi.

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And about a half mile south, it came out over the highway, midair and stopped.

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Now my husband had been in World War II. So he's going to get out and identify this craft.

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And he takes the binoculars and he walks towards it. And as he looks up, he sees a group of men standing in the window looking down at him.

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And at that moment, a thin like structure parted on each side of the craft and had a red light on the end of the fin.

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And the craft started to come down. Barney had the feeling they were trying to capture him.

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They're going to catch us and wait. Let's get out of here, men. Let's get out of here. They're going to catch us. Let's leave. Let's go.

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Disoriented and distraught, the hills realized where they were when they saw a sign 17 miles from the town of Concord.

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They had taken two hours longer than expected to drive through the White Mountains.

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The next day they told the army what had happened to them. The army was quite interested since they had detected an unidentified radar echo over the White Mountains during the same time frame.

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But there were holes in the hills, story.

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In the beginning, we remember seeing the men in the road, but we couldn't get beyond that.

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And so we would go back there about one to a month thinking if we could find the spot where we saw the men in the road, we could remember what happened.

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And we would be getting little memories back, but nothing too shocking.

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And then Bonnie's health failed and he wasn't responding to medication, so his doctor sent him to a psychiatrist.

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And one day, Bonnie mentioned how we were going north through the mountains and looking for the spot.

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And we would find all kinds of people who had all kinds of UFO sightings, but nobody knew where the spot was.

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So he referred us to Dr. Venue and Simon in Boston. And we started medical hypnosis.

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A week later, Betty began to have nightmares in which she was abducted by aliens. She wrote down her dreams and told Barney about them.

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Ever since the night of the abduction, the couple had been suffering from health problems.

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Finally, two years after the abduction, the hills agreed to be placed under hypnosis by Dr. Benjamin Simon.

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The following are excerpts from those sessions.

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I want to wake up.

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You're not going to wake up. You're in deep sleep. You're comfortable. Relaxed. This is not going to tell you.

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This creature, this leader is telling me something.

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How? How's he getting into you?

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I can see it in his face.

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You see it? Let's move. Yes.

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No. It's looking at me.

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What did he tell you?

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Stay there and keep looking.

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Just stay there. He's saying to me.

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All right.

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I'll take it in my head.

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All right.

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Pull the binoculars away. God give it to me.

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All right.

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Pull them down.

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Pull the binoculars down and run.

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Calm down. Calm down.

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The testimony I'm going to tell Barney is very important, especially since it was the first of its kind.

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So we know that it was not tainted by media sensationalism.

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And they were treated by a well-known Boston psychiatrist,

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who questioned them separately under hypnosis for a period of six months.

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They both told the same story.

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Betty Hill elaborated more than Barney, but he had been traumatized by what had happened to him.

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They were on their way back home after holidays in Canada.

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They were headed towards the Boston area, and they saw a UFO following them.

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They pulled over and saw that the UFO was hovering over the highway.

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They don't remember what happened after that.

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Next thing you know, they were back on the highway two hours later, feeling groggy.

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And they continued on their way home.

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Some time later, Barney was feeling ill, and they went to see Dr. Benjamin Simon.

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Under hypnosis, they each separately gave a very detailed account of having been abducted and taken aboard a UFO.

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A book was written in collaboration with Dr. Simon, who had not previously believed in the existence of UFOs.

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He admitted that Betty and Barney were convinced that their story was real,

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and their testimony was both forceful and disturbing.

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Go on.

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And he said, just a simple test of all therapy.

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And I asked him what.

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And he said he just wants to put it in my name.

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It's just a simple test.

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I didn't hear that.

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Did they make any sexual advances to you?

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We saw what we thought was the moon setting.

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And then we saw a group of men in the road blocking our way.

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He stopped the car.

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The motor died.

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They came up, took us out of the car along a path in the woods.

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All they wanted to do was some simple tests to find out how we were like or dislike,

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or how we were different or like each other.

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And as soon as the testing would be over, we could go back to the car.

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So we called him a leader.

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The one who did the testing, we called the examiner.

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And then there were nine others that stayed out in the car with us,

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who we called them the crew members.

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We were taken into separate rooms.

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And the first part of our exams were the same.

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They checked our eyes, ears, nose, throat, nose, feet.

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And then with me they did two testings.

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One was my nervous system.

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And the second one was they tried to put a needle in my navel,

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which he said was a pregnancy test.

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And with Barney, the first part was the same as mine.

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But with him, they were basically interested in his bone structure.

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And then I said, I know you're not from this planet. Where are you from?

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And he showed me a star map.

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And then they came leading Barney out.

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And then I went to the car and we watched the craft leave.

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And it lifted out of that and was gone.

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In 1966, American journalist John Fuller published the Hill story

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under the title The Interrupted Journey.

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It was a huge success.

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The Hill story contains several details,

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which leave little doubt as to its authenticity.

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How could Betty Hill have been able to describe a pregnancy test

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consisting of inserting a long needle into her navel

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when this procedure was not to be used by doctors for another 10 years?

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While under hypnosis, Betty drew a star map that she saw while on board the UFO.

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It appeared to match the double star Zeta reticuli,

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which was discovered years after Betty drew her star map.

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What is most interesting is that the story came out under hypnosis.

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After both had suffered from amnesia and both basically told the same story.

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When the abduction phenomenon came to light in the Betty Barney Hill case,

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there were no theories about it because it had never been reported in any objective way before.

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And we must always remember it was a skeptical scientist, a psychiatrist,

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who did the hypnosis, who was stunned by what he was hearing

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and had to assume that this was a folio de of some sort

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that nobody was familiar with with all of the effects of what we would now call post-traumatic stress disorder.

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So it was certainly real. This is a myth that nobody wanted.

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You know, in 1979, Alvin Lawson, who was a professor of English at California State University at Long Beach,

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conducted a little bit of an experiment.

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He took eight people, eight students who had not had UFO sightings, which was his filter,

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and had a hypnotist hypnotize him to see if they could come out with abduction stories.

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And he claimed essentially that they were all essentially the same

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and therefore as all the other abduction stories, and therefore all of it came from people's minds.

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But actually, when you read the study, what you find is that one story actually had certain similarities.

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There were small people, and she was on a table and that sort of stuff.

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The other stories were all totally different from each other, completely different from anything that we ever learned

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in the abduction phenomenon. All the UFO abductors that they described were completely different from each other

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and totally different than anything that we have learned in the abduction phenomenon,

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and they had the slightest idea what to say.

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Alvin Lawson's study was not very conclusive.

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The abduction stories imagined by the study group under hypnosis varied from one person to the next.

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On the other hand, people who claimed to have been genuinely abducted have very similar stories,

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and the details are very coherent. Dr. Jean-Rac Laurent, a psychologist at Concordia University,

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has taken an interest in these abduction stories.

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What we found interesting was that most of these stories came out after a hypnosis treatment.

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Since our lab specializes in hypnosis and memory work,

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we knew right away that hypnosis was a dangerous instrument in terms of the reliability of a person's memory.

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So we decided to check whether hypnosis could be used to create false memories,

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to manipulate existing memories, and add to them.

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We studied several subjects, and we found that using an experience such as a nightmare or sleep paralysis,

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people could take an unusual incident and turn it into an alien abduction.

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And create a story in different ways.

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Each year, thousands of people report being abducted while they are sleeping.

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As was the case with the Hills, hypnosis seems to be the tool that helps to reveal the details of the abduction.

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And I think actually what was important there is to recognize certain things that happened,

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which is that hypnosis was used to bring out this story, and hypnosis has been proven time and time again

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by people like psychologist Martin Orr to be totally unreliable.

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That in fact people report what they believe, which is not the same as what actually happened.

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They're reporting their genuine beliefs.

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That in the Hill case there was a certain amount of filtering between the two of them.

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That in fact the key mystery, which was two hours lost, was not discovered by the Hills,

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it was discovered in fact by Walter Webb, who was the investigator, who said to them,

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you seem to have lost time, and I believe I'm quoting reasonably accurately,

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Barnhill saying, my God, for the first time I realized that we had lost two hours.

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This was several weeks after the experience.

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So a lot of these key motifs of abductions actually didn't so much come from the witnesses as the investigators.

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And I do believe that one of the things we learned from the Hill case onwards and so on,

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is that investigators can take a case, take the key elements and take it to another case,

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and using particularly hypnosis, not deliberately and not consciously,

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but I think we contaminate our own data by taking these belief systems around.

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What I'm saying is that the evidence, the story that comes out, can be influenced by the people investigating.

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And to do a good investigation is actually far trickier than we think.

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A few years ago I decided to spend all of my time studying abductions.

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I decided to do this because when I traveled the world as a journalist,

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I heard similar stories from people throughout the world.

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I heard stories of abductions when I spent six months in Siberia,

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and also when I stayed six months in Tibet.

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Wherever I went, I would hear tales of abductions from people who had no clue

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that there were other people in the world who had experienced the same thing.

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These stories bothered me, and then when I saw what was happening in the States,

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I thought to myself, those Americans are crazy.

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Hoaxers in this field are extremely, extremely rare.

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But in the abduction area, you have to come up to various people, like myself and others,

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and look us in the eye and say, this happened to me.

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And in front of your wife and children, this happened to me.

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And go into something which involves acting, lying, and of course,

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adverse publicity in the long term.

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So it's not an issue. It's a non-starter as a theory.

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There are witnesses to these events.

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They're family members, sometimes with friends and so forth,

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who can verify their experiences.

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When they are abducted, they are physically missing from their normal environment.

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There's a police that's been called, search party has been sent out,

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parents have been frantic looking for their children and all that.

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They come back with unusual scars in their bodies, scrapes,

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there's a certain physical evidence.

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their pajamas or their pants on backwards.

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and folded neatly on a couch or by their bed,

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or they come back wearing somebody else's clothes,

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which can be fairly startling, let's just say.

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And there's more, and there's other evidence to present that.

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There's a strong physical aspect to this.

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But the key thing is that people see other people being abducted

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and may or may not be abducted themselves.

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And that is the fact that all psychologists stumble on.

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Is there really any solid proof?

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How objective are the witnesses?

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And what if their stories are being influenced by UFO experts

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or by media reports of alien abductions?

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Luckily for us, there were certain details about the Betty and Barney Hill case

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that were not reported in the book.

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So no skeptic can claim a copycat thing,

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one of which was that a sperm sample was taken from Barney Hill, which was painful.

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That was left out of the book, thank goodness,

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because of questions of taste in 1966.

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had no source in the Betty and Barney Hill case or the publicity.

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People are presented with odd looking little babies while on board objects

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that look sort of half human, half alien, as they say it.

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and impossible to comprehend.

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And yet at the same time, everybody was saying it over and over again.

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Maybe this is really true.

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Over the years, we have filled in considerably and we realize that

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a whole series of things happen to people on board these objects

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that are reproductive in nature, that are physical in nature, and that are mental in nature.

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and there are physical examinations given.

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But all of them seem to center in some way or another, ultimately on reproduction.

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Genetic experiments undergone by certain abductees too long and horrible to describe here

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have always had a strong sexual undertone.

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taking gum samples, fingernail clippings, locks of hair.

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There are stories of hybrid pregnancies and the more stories I heard,

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the more I wanted to investigate this matter further.

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But in all my research, I never once saw any proof of an interrupted pregnancy.

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It is a real epidemic on our hands, according to books by

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but Hopkins, David Jacobs and Dr. Mack.

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It's very disturbing because there is so much similarity in all of the cases.

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Eddie Bullard began studying the phenomenon when this wave first started

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and he says that there is an amazing consistency to the abduction stories

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from people living in different areas who don't even know each other.

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it is not surprising that cases like the hills are cropping up all over the planet.

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One case in Quebec bears a striking resemblance to the hill story.

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The abduction took place while the victim was awake

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as he was driving down a deserted stretch of highway.

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This case was fantastic for Quebec ufology

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and yet traumatizing to the man who experienced it

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because he had to face isolation and social ridicule.

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He withdrew like a turtle inside his shell,

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not knowing who he could turn to for help in sorting out what he was feeling.

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The incident happened on November 24, 1979.

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He was on his way home from Le Chute after the birth of his daughter.

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He had been to work and passed out cigars to everyone to celebrate the occasion.

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He was on Highway 158, which connects Le Chute to his hometown of Saint-Gérôme.

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he felt as though he was being followed,

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as if something was flying overhead that wanted to hurt him.

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Thinking to himself, good, I'm home now, I have nothing to worry about.

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He saw a sort of cloud build up quickly on the highway in front of him.

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He couldn't take his eyes off the cloud, he entered it,

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and then he heard a sound like two rocks banging together.

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He came out of the cloud and drove into a signpost.

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The car was slightly damaged, but the engine was fine, so he continued driving.

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When he finally got home, he realized that he was missing 110 minutes.

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It's not just the whole idea of abductions that is hard to believe.

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The high number of abductions reported each year raises serious doubts.

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As far as ufologists are concerned, abductties are experiencing a genuine phenomenon.

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But to skeptics, these stories are nothing more than fantasies.

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Skeptics always say, but there's no proof that it happened.

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There are indications, if we look closely enough, marks on the ground,

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strange cuts on victims' bodies, and perhaps even implants,

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small objects hidden somewhere in abductties' bodies.

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One of the things that people want, of course, is they want physical proof.

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However, having said that, we have had artifacts.

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People have had implants in their heads that they've recovered in some way,

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or in other parts of their body.

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In 1995, several alleged abductties claimed to have an implant

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and went to see Dr. Roger Lear in California,

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who performed minor surgery to remove the implants.

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A series of operations were performed in 1995 and over the next few years.

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It seemed that foot surgeon Dr. Roger Lear in California

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was able to find and remove these small implants.

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Dr. Lear had no particular interest in UFOs and alien abductions.

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However, his attitude changed significantly,

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especially after he had read the analysis reports on the objects that were found.

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Several of the objects had remarkable characteristics.

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The basic summary of the findings to date.

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We have objects which we have removed from the human body

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with a strict set of criteria and scientific protocols

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established for this research project.

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And research being done on individuals who allege alien abduction

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seemed to have things in their body that are extraterrestrial in origin.

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He had the implants analyzed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory

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and at another laboratory in New Mexico.

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And in some cases, the findings were only partially released.

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For some odd reason, Dr. Lear has refused to allow independent researchers

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to re-examine the implants.

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Some people feel that this raises serious doubts about the nature of the implants.

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However, the results he obtained remain intriguing.

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The metals themselves underwent analysis as did the elements

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and we found in addition that some of the elements that were looked at

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contain what are called extraterrestrial isotopic ratios.

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as what we find here on Earth, are not molecularly composed

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in the same way as Earth elements.

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The other thing that we found was the opinion of New Mexico Tech Laboratory

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that these were much like meteorite samples.

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The implants have a hard biological shell

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that appears to prevent them from causing inflammation.

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The objects are also covered with nerve endings,

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which seem to link the implants to the abductees' nervous system,

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which is very impressive when we examine it more closely.

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The implants are real.

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Some people have spoken of pseudo-implants,

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but Dr. Lear was removing something real,

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so there had to be actual implants.

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What exactly he removed has been the topic of many discussions.

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In several cases, it can be said that they are pseudo-implants,

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because sometimes what is removed is simply a small piece of glass

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or other odd objects.

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There are a few which remain truly intriguing.

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I still think that the implant removed from Richard Price,

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an American abductee, was very odd,

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because the object changed form between the first analysis

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and the final analysis done by Professor Pritchard.

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At first, it was a metallic object,

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and later it had become something made from cotton fibers.

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That in itself is fascinating,

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and no explanation was ever given as to why the description

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changed so drastically from one analysis to the other.

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The problem here with the implants is that no one has been able to show

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what is absolutely essential to show, and that is function.

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Once you show that this is a device that will monitor hormonal levels

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in someone's body, and we recovered it from someone's body,

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and this is how it works, then you have something.

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Up until now, we still haven't found the alleged alien transmitters,

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mentioned by certain UFO authors.

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Ufologists researching reports of alien abductions

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must sort out which stories are real and which ones are just made up

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by people who have heard stories of abductions.

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They seek cases where the victim was not likely to have been influenced

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by an outside factor, which might have led the person

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to invent a credible sounding story.

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Ufologists feel that the hills were not exposed to any cultural influences

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since they were the first case reported.

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However, between the time that the incident occurred in 1961

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and the time that they consulted Dr. Simon two years later,

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the couple could have imagined the whole thing,

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and it could have become firmly planted in their minds

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as they searched frantically for an explanation for their amnesia.

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Barney admitted to having read practically every book available on UFOs.

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And Betty said that she often discussed the recurrent dreams

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that she began having a few days after the incident in the White Mountains.

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Dreams that she believed revealed what had happened to them.

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During those two years, the couple became avid fans of science fiction movies about aliens.

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I tend to believe that the whole alien abduction scenario

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is simply a sign that our society is finally clowing in on a phenomenon

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that is as old as humanity itself.

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The social phenomena very often determines how you label a phenomenon,

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or label an experience.

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The sensed presence has been with the human species forever.

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The idea of an entity visiting us,

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the idea of waking up in the middle of the night and feeling some sentient being

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nearby, be it positive or negative,

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incidentally the evil ones are used on the left side.

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The positive talking ones are on the right side.

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It simply reflects the organization of your brain activity.

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But the culture determines how you experience it and how you label it.

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You have an experience that is easy to produce.

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How you label it and how you then explain it when you wake up

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will be a function of the cultural label.

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Fifty years ago, they were almost always visitations by angels.

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Now with the emphasis being on aliens, space, the great frontier,

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now the thrust is towards alien types of experiences.

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A hundred years ago, they would have been religious.

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Some euphologists, desperately wanting to believe in alien abductions,

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spend their lives trying to convert skeptics.

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Strident defenders of their convictions,

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often driven by a fear of an alien invasion,

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they carefully inspect every detail of the cases reported.

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But does their obsessive investigation have any basis in reality?

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Could these beings that they believe are not from our world exist somewhere else?

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In Sudbury, Ontario,

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Dr. Michael Persinger studies the brain,

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where a whole other reality is.

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First of all, let's look at the nature of the sense of presence itself.

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If I ask you who you are, your sense of self,

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it's primarily a language or left-hemispheric process.

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It's not an accident that people will fight and die

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to maintain their language and culture, that is yourself.

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The right side of the brain, the right hemisphere,

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is more involved with the sense of a presence.

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It's like a sense of a presence.

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It's like a sense of a presence.

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It's like a sense of a presence.

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It's more involved with the sense of a presence.

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It's like yourself, except that it's more involved with another feeling of an entity,

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sort of like another self.

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And you can stimulate it in a variety of ways.

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It can happen during dreams.

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That's very common every night.

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You feel yourself looking at yourself outside of yourself,

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this double kind of individual.

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It can also happen if you stimulate the brain normally,

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if you're stressed, particular personal stress.

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But the majority of time, it's due to strong magnetic fields,

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by strong I mean generated within nature,

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stimulating your brain while you're in a special state that we call sleep.

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there is the appropriate magnetic stimulation.

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It could be from geomagnetic activity

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or from something regional, such as strain,

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00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,000
and it stimulates the right hemisphere in particular.

458
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
People have a sense of presence.

459
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000
They suddenly wake up and they feel there's an entity nearby.

460
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,000
They may actually feel stimulations of their body.

461
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Men tend to experience anal stimulation, women, uterine stimulation,

462
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,000
and the reason is because the area of the brain that stimulated

463
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,000
is involved with the internal states, with the uterus, with the internal states.

464
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
You feel like you're floating.

465
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,000
You may actually have the sensation of a presence touching you.

466
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,000
In a room void of sensory stimuli,

467
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,000
Dr. Persinger asked his subjects to put on a special helmet

468
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,000
that was capable of modifying the electromagnetic waves experienced by the brain.

469
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,000
In this controlled environment, several participants said

470
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,000
that they sensed the presence of strangers in the room,

471
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000
and some even claimed to see unknown entities.

472
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000
The critical thing is the tendency.

473
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,000
It's actually very easy to induce an entity experience.

474
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
80% of everyone who goes through our laboratory,

475
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
through particular patterns of fields,

476
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
have a sense of presence.

477
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,000
The way they experience it will be a function of what they expect.

478
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,000
One of the questions we've asked many times is the kinds of patterns

479
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000
we apply to people in the laboratory.

480
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Do they occur in nature?

481
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
The answer is yes, they do because that's where we got them.

482
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,000
We've actually gone out into the field where people have experienced haunts

483
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000
or have been abducted.

484
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,000
We record the magnetic disturbances, which are usually transient.

485
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
We record them on our equipment.

486
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Stan Corrin and I very often go out and record them on fancy equipment.

487
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Bring them back, digitize them, and then apply them to the brain

488
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
and produce the same experiences.

489
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Actually, we find that there is about 10 to 20% of the population

490
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000
that's really prone, very sensitive to the environment.

491
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000
They're the kind of canaries of our culture,

492
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,000
the sense of the mind canaries.

493
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
They are very sensitive to the electromagnetic field.

494
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
They are the creative ones.

495
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000
They're musicians, they're writers.

496
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
They have tremendous versatility in their thoughts.

497
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Sometimes they may even be considered crazy,

498
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000
but the point is because of their ideas are so creative,

499
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000
these people's brains are so sensitive

500
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000
that with the right pattern of activity generated through their brain,

501
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000
naturally they experience a sense presence.

502
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,000
50 years ago, they would probably say they were visited by angels.

503
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,000
100 years ago by demons, incubi and sukubi,

504
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,000
they would take sexual, steal sexual favors from them.

505
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Now, of course, the entire phenomenon of the sukubi and the incubi

506
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000
has been replaced with the alien abduction,

507
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
because that's the society in which we live.

508
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:00,000
The history of UFOs began in 1947.

509
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Books on UFOs had existed for 20 years before that,

510
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,000
which meant that American readers were already familiar

511
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,000
with the concepts of disc-shaped crafts, flying saucers,

512
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,000
and small pilots with big heads, small pilots who abduct people.

513
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,000
It was all there in American science fiction magazines.

514
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,000
So it could be said that these alien stories

515
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000
were all simply based on these fictional models.

516
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,000
We live in a world of mass culture.

517
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
If we are European or Canadian,

518
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,000
we are very influenced by American mass culture.

519
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Let's not forget that thousands of stories have been influencing people

520
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000
since the 1920s and 1930s,

521
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,000
plus there were all those sci-fi movies from the 1950s

522
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000
depicting alien invasions.

523
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Even American cartoons featured aliens.

524
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
That's a lot of exposure to the idea of aliens,

525
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000
and I think that people's minds just got saturated.

526
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000
To put it in visual terms, it's like we're living in a big fish tank.

527
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,000
So it seems to me that it must be difficult to distinguish

528
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,000
between a fake abduction and a genuine one.

529
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,000
I think that as soon as potential scenarios are presented,

530
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,000
that's good enough for me personally.

531
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,000
Barney and Betty Hill's story has become part of the universal mass culture.

532
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Like all stories that stimulate the imagination of the masses,

533
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
no definite conclusions were ever reached.

534
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000
People were more interested in believing their incredible story

535
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,000
than in digging deeper.

536
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Some UFO experts claim that the Hill's story had to be true,

537
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,000
since Betty mentioned a pregnancy test similar to amniocentesis,

538
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,000
long before doctors began using this procedure.

539
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,000
Others say the proof lies in the star map drawn by Betty under hypnosis,

540
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,000
which matches the double-star Zeta-1 and Zeta-2

541
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,000
in the Zeta reticulized star system,

542
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
discovered years after the Hill's incident.

543
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:10,000
But in actual fact, amniocentesis was done for the first time in 1882

544
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,000
and had been used in America since the 1930s.

545
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
As for Zeta-1 and Zeta-2,

546
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,000
the astronomer who discovered the dual nature of Zeta reticulite

547
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
changed his mind a few years ago

548
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,000
and decided that Zeta was not a double-star after all.

549
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,000
What's worse, Betty Hill's story followed practically verbatim

550
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,000
the same storyline as the dream she spoke of a few weeks after the incident

551
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,000
in which she had been abducted by aliens.

552
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Contrary to what some people may think,

553
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,000
dreams are not unconscious memories.

554
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000
There are certainly some elements that support the Hill's testimony,

555
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000
like a blip on a radar screen that night,

556
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,000
the odd discoloration of Betty's dress,

557
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000
and the strange amnesia that they both experienced.

558
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,000
But none of these elements

559
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:04,000
are enough to prove without a doubt that alien abductions are real.

560
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,000
The things we have to look at,

561
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,000
the first thing is that the reports these people give us

562
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,000
are actually incredibly similar to the reports of near-death experience

563
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000
when we strip them down to the type of report we're getting,

564
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,000
or to the shamanic journey undertaken by shaman of less technological cultures

565
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,000
when they take drugs or whatever to get to near-death themselves,

566
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,000
where they go to the twilight world of their gods,

567
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,000
and they commune with their gods and bring that information back

568
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
to become leaders of their communities.

569
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,000
Actually, there are so many similarities

570
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,000
that the abduction phenomenon could be an aspect of that.

571
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,000
Why would it have flying saucers and all this kind of Star Trek type technology?

572
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Because the West is a Star Trek-driven type of place.

573
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,000
So when shaman go to their world, they go there

574
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,000
because it is in keeping with, say, the aboriginal dream time mythology.

575
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,000
Our mythology is Captain Kirk and Picard and the Star Trek.

576
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,000
And we have those experiences, genuinely have them.

577
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000
I think we filter them through an interpretation,

578
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
which is to do with science fiction.